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Hi,


Just wanted to post this in case anyone else runs into a similar issue. I looked all over for the specifications on the power supply of the Creatr Dual Extrusion model. Finally i just ripped mine out to upgrade it.


Stock Supply:

Wei Hao S-400-24

24V 17A


I replaced my supply with a Mean Well HRP-600-24 for roughly $135 USD. The supply is a 600 Watt 24V 27A. 


This has increased my heating speeds half the time and can maintain proper heat for ABS. The Creatr is advertised as ABS compatible but can hardly reach the temperatures to get any good prints. I'd be ashamed of this false advertisement If I worked or designed systems for lpfrg. They should really look into upgrading the power supplies to at least 24V 25 Amps. The end user would be much more satisfied and would come out with better prints.


I've had my printer torn apart and put back together about 25 times in the past 2 years. 75% of the stock hardware has been replaced just due to how short of a lifespan it has. I will say the precision ground ball screw system on the Z-Axis is very good. The only time i have had a bad part was due to lack of heat, when its stable it prints very good quality. When paired with the Simplify3D software, a good set of tools, and a solid education in CNC machines... this printer is one of the best out there. 


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Hey, 


Good tip, I was just wondering about the heated bed. it takes forever to heat up. 


What temperature can you reach ? 


What other parts has you replaced? 


I've had my printer for barely three months and I'm looking into geared extruders (bowden and direct drive isn't ideal it seems, or mine is just in need of adjustment, the feed seems seriously wrong). 


New hotend, to avoid clogging, preferably groove mount.


Better quality X/Y axis 10-12mm, straight ones this time.


More rigid bottom plate for the glass bed, the current one is seriously wobbly.


Higher precision adjustment for heated bed, M8X1 for instance, perhaps even finer pitch. 


Relocating the X-axis motor to make room for a pair of groove mount hotends and still maintain full width in X-motion. 


Ohh and replacing the plastic belt pulleys for bearing ones, the original started to squeak with in a week on my printer. 


Part from this, maybe a couple of Watterott drivers and while one is on a run, why don't change the controller board as well.



the list goes on......




Hi John,

I just found out that the original power supply in my Creatr has shorted out. Exactly 2 years after purchase.

I really like the idea of upgrading the power supply, which should alleviate issues with constant temperatures, both bed and extruder.

Have you have any issues after upgrading?

Do you mind discussing off line via email or chat? tigger.japan@gmail.com

 

 Hi John,


Can you post any updates? Is the printer running fine with the additional power?


I'm about to replace a dead power supply with a Mean Well 450W.

Changing the powersupply on your printer to a bigger one (600W) means the currents that run through the wires (e.g. to your heated bed) will be higher than the wires/connectors were initially designed to handle, you are risking a fire that way!

 

Hi Jeff,


David is correct on having to replace wire gauges.. It just depends on what size your are changing to. Be sure to check out a wire gauge chart online before upgrading, Its not too hard to re-wire the system.

On my current system, i have replaced everything but the mechanical components. I replaced the head with a better head off of Amazon.com. Not sure if anyone else had an issue, but the stock head was a pain in the ass to load. I have also invested about $2000 in a better controls system. I replaced all the stepper motors with Beckhoff industrial steppers, and replaced the stock NC controller board with a better Beckhoff PC controller. 

I'm a software engineer for a CNC machine manufacturer, the one this printer comes with is shit compared to our systems... I just had to upgrade it. Since then, i very rarely have a bad print. About 90% of our business is building privately branded machines for Swiss companies, and their engineers are very fastidious on what they want in a machine. When I bought this printer, I made a harsh generalization by assuming most of Europe was the same way haha.

 Thanks for the information.


I'm more concerned about the heated bed. Does the stock bed handle the increased power? You mentioned 1/2 time to heat the bed, which means a lot more power is going the those heaters.


FYI, I'm moving to 450W power supply. It's a far better power supply (5 year warranty), and should help keep the heaters (all) more stable during printing.

From this site, it looks like the stock cables will handle the 450W at 24V.

http://www.solar-wind.co.uk/cable-sizing-DC-cables.html

 

From this site, it looks like the stock cables will handle 450W at 24V.

Cable Sizing

 

From this site, it looks like the stock cables will handle 450W at 24V.


Cable Sizing



I found on my machine the problem with the bed was caused by the silver connectors. The connectors oxidized and then burned along with the wires. I recieved a new bed and then hardwired it in bypassing the connectors. The bed now works great l
Thanks for posting this. I have two leapfrog creator's. Bed heats up slowly and support from Leapfrog has been pretty good (they shipped me new parts etc). I did get a great deal on a Mean Well HRP-600-24 From eBay dirt cheap. But I think I will try the bypass on one and the new power supply on the other. I'll let ya know.
Check all the wire ring from the bed to t h e power supply. You must remove the nylon cover to see the wires. Unfortunately the cover hides t h e wires so you can not see th r b burn. Once the cover is removed you can clearly see any damage.
Hi Guys, Daniel from Belgium, Antwerp. My axis XYZ and filament feeding does not work, moves. Can it be due power supply ? The communication works, while the heating bed and extruders heatings do work. I am desperate becauce i don't printed any piece yet and i have the thing already a year. Becauce it did not work properly at the first time i let it in the corner of my workshop and now i have moer time i wanted re-start the intention to print. So this "sucks" a lot. Thank u for any advice . Daniel
First, before you do anything else, HOME X/Y and HOME Z Does that work?
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The following 3 clips will guide you through the installation process of your CreatrXL. By following these, you will be printing within 30 minutes. First start with unpacking the printer. Clickhere to see how you correctly pick up the printer

Part 1 of 3: Unpacking your CreatrXL

In this clip, you will be guided through the unpacking of a brand new CreatrXL. The unboxing along with the location of tie wraps which need to be removed are shown, as well as the process of a connecting the cables to the printer and computer.

Part 2 of 3: Software and configuration

In this clip, we will show you how to install the required software. The first step is to download and install the Arduino software to make it possible for your computer to connect with the printer. The next step is to download and install the Repetier Host Leapfrog software or that controlls your 3D printer. We have tried to make this as simple as possible and also provided direct downloading links per operating system.

SIMPLIFY 3D SOFTWARE
If you are using the new Simplify 3D software you can follow all the steps except for the Repetier-Host Leapfrog installation and using explanation. Simply download the software via the purchase link and before first use a pop-up will appear showing you the Simplify 3D Quick start guide. You can also download the Quick start guide or access it from the software via help –> Quick start guide. The quick start guide will briefly explain the functions of the software so that you can start your first print.

Please select you operating system and follow the descriptions in the movie.

Operating systemWindows

The first step is to download and install the Arduino software to make it possible for your computer to connect with the printer. The next step is to download and install the newest version of the Repetier Host Leapfrog software as shown in the clip. This software allows you to convert your 3D software file [STL for example] to a printable file [G-Code] and allows you to control your printer. The Repetier Host Leapfrog software contains standard CreatrXL Print Profiles. Just select the extruder, the filament material as well as the color and Repetier will automatically select the ideal print temperature providing you the best print quality possible. There is also a Leapfrog support button implemented in the software. A Mac version will be available soon.

If you have followed the installation procedure, but you can’t control your Leapfrog CreatrXL and the “6 commands waiting” message in Repetier-Host Leapfrog won’t disappear, you have to install the 2.8.28 drivers. Please see Solution can’t connect 6 commands waiting in Repetier-Host Leapfrog how to do so.

For a more thorough description of Slic3s settings please check this guide!

Windows 8
To install the Arduino drivers on a computer with Windows 8 follow these steps after downloading the Arduino software.

- Save unsaved work and write the instructions down
[your computer will reboot into startup options screen]
- Press the Windows Key and the ‘R’ key simultaneously
- Copy the command inside the brackets
–>[ shutdown.exe /r /o /f /t 00 ] – Select ‘Troubleshoot’
- Select ‘Advanced options’
- Select ‘Startup Settings’
- Select ‘Disable Driver Signature Enforcement’
- Install driver as usual via device manager


Mac

In this clip, we will explain you how you can generate a STL file using Sketchup. We show you what to download and how to export your design in STL.

Part 3 of 3: Making your first print!

In this final clip, the process of creating your first print will be explained. This starts with removing the callibration print that is already on the print bed. How to insert the filament and operate the Repetier Host Leapfrog software is also shown, which should culminate in your first 3D Print on the CreatrXL!

Google sketchupHow to export STL files from Sketchup

The first step is to download and install the Arduino software to make it possible for your computer to connect with the printer. You will then need to in stall this driver for OSX to recognize the hardware.

The next step is to download the Repetier software as shown in the clip. This software allows you to convert your 3D software file [STL for example] to a printable file [G-Code] and allows you to control your printer. We have developed standard print profiles for the CreatrXL. Please follow the instructions below to install the print profiles for Mac [not yet included in the video]:

- Download This file
- Go to your Home Folder on Mac and select “Go to Folder” from the Go Menu en type “Library/Application Support/Slic3r/” - Unzip the file you just downloaded and dump the contents in the Slic3r folder, it will replace your existing settings. If you want to keep your current settings as well, take the contents from each folder and put this in the same folder in the Home/Libaray/App../Slic3r folder.

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Filament Guide

ABS
  • Extrude at ~ 225o C.
  • Requires heated bed.
  • Works reasonably well without cooling.
  • Adheres best to polyimide tape.
  • Filament tolerances are usually tighter.
  • Prone to cracking, delamination, and wraping.
  • More flexible.
  • Can be bonded using adhesives or solvents(Acetone or MEK).
  • Fumes are unpleasent in enclosed areas.
  • Oil Based.
PLA
  • Extrude at ~ 180-225o C.
  • Benefits from heated bed.
  • Benefits greatly from cooling while printing.
  • Adheres well to a variety of surfaces.
  • Finer feature detail possible on a well calibrated machine.
  • Prone to curling of corners and overhangs.
  • More brittle.
  • Can be bonded using adhesives.
  • More pleasant smell when extruded.
  • Plant Based.

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